Hello Alan, Tuesday, August 21, 2001, 4:46:52 AM, you wrote: AC> Other candidate http://www.vp3.com AC> That with ogg vorbis audio would certainly make things interesting Yes, I forgot about On2. Their newest VP4 codec is really very good. I can't say anything about VP3 except that the sources are 'still' not available for download and their binary codec has no rate control features. Picture quality is perfect, but at 2500 kbps for 512x384 everyone can do that. -- Best regards, Eugene mailto:ekuznetsov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx