>> bttv0: PLL: 28636363 => 35468950 ..........failed Gerd> Thats probably the problem. Don't know yet why this happens from time Gerd> to time, I suspect it's a initialization order issue. With 8.11 the same line appears. I try 8.12 with pll=0, pll=28 and pll=35, and none of them works. Must be something else. Canek -- Any program which runs right is obsolete.