RE: Strange data encoded in the signal from a PBS affiliate

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NABTS (the North American teletext standard) has 35 raw bytes per scan line.
Typically, with some error-correcting redundancy bytes included, you get 28
usable payload bytes per scan line, 14-times the bandwidth you calculated
below.  This equates very roughly to one 9600 bps modem per scan line.

The European teletext standard has more room for more bytes per scan line,
since it uses a higher-frequency bit clock.  ATVEF may or may not take
advantage of that, however.

-- Ben --

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Worley [mailto:cworley@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:01 AM
To: video4linux-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:  Strange data encoded in the signal from a PBS
affiliate


Peter Kaczowka wrote:

> The other problem is the bandwidth of the analog ATVEF data.  I think its
> maximum is (please correct me if I'm wrong):
> 
>     2 bytes per line * 11 lines * 60 fields per second = 1320 bytes /
second =
> 10.5 Kbits / second.

ATVEF-A is only line 21, 2 characters on the odd field only (even 
field is XDS).  So ATVEF-A is up to 2 * 30 bytes/sec.

But, look at the data being transmitted (turn your teletext-2 
capability on your TV during the midday gameshows, such as "Jeopardy" 
& "Family Feud").  They don't use the full bandwidth, and they assume 
a separate internet connection.  The ATVEF-A is just a bit more than 
hyperlinks, timed with events in the show.  I.e.: a question is asked, 
a hyperlink leads the settop box to fetch the possible answers and 
some javascript to keep score.

For ATVEF-B and NABTS, your bandwidth analysis looks correct, but I 
believe the NABTS data contains up to 35 bytes per field, but I forget 
where I read that.  Still, as you say, the bandwidth is nothing in 
comparison to what an mpeg stream can accomplish.

Chris



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